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ideas loading old PT sessions into to 7.4 sessions 1 Month, 1 Week ago Karma: 0  
Hi,
I just joined this forum. I'm doing 5.1 sound editing for the Southpark Studios and am running ProTools 7.4.2 HD Accel at work on quad Intel Macs running Leopard, and I run an 002 LE system at home via XP HP 8400.
We've created some templates to ease 5.1 conversion of our 200+ episodes of Southpark from a stereo mix to 5.1 mix for DVD release. I'm working backwards through the archived sessions and things were going well until I hit sessions that no longer will load into a modern cut of ProTools. We have a couple ProTools HD rooms but we run multiple shifts in our rooms so the thought of trying to downgrade a quad Intel Mac to much older versions of software isn't really an option nor is simply importing the raw audio tracks of each episode and completely remixing them. ( I need the tracks with automation and hopefully the plugins to come up in PT 7.4).
I already tried creating a new blank session and importing all or even a single track from the old session but that gives me the same error "DOCUMENT COULD NOT BE OPENED BECAUSE IT WAS CREATED WITH AN OLDER VERSION OF PRO TOOLS". I've only been working here a short time but I believe the backlog of session is likely to span 8-10 years and might span PT versions as early as 5.

My only thoughts were:
1) post about my dilema and see if there were any suggestions
2) contact Digidesign and other forums to see if any converters or conversion helper tools exist to help such challenges (I'm willing to pay for a conversion tool if one exists)
3) see if there are any other consultants with experience in such areas.
4) search the net to see if there are any API's available that would allow a SW developer to read and potentially construct such a translator.
5) Is there a magic cookie or something in the top header of a binary pro tools file that would at least help me understand what version of PT it was written from? (assuming I had a dump program I could see it in)


Anyone have ideas or suggestions for me about this?

Thanks tons,
-Jay-
 
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Re:ideas loading old PT sessions into to 7.4 sessions 1 Month, 1 Week ago Karma: 0  
I tend to look at things in the light of simplicity and I realize I am coming from a little home studio perspective but it seems logical to do some digital transforms from a classic setup that *will* run the original sessions.

You choose the number of channels you wish to import based on the original session's format.. such as keeping the voice tracks separate from the music tracks, obviously, but that way, all your automation and plugins will maintain their original intent.

It may be a whole lot cheaper to rent an older HD system with the appropriate plugins for a one time conversion than it is to surgically translate between the versions.

And while you are at this, catalog all the original audio files so you can easily find the tracks you want for your surround efforts.

If my quess is right, you could easily find a studio willing to do the busy-work once you've decided what format/form you want the conversion done.

Then again, maybe Digi has already contracted with some of the bigger buck studios to do exactly what you need and all you have to do is pay them the big bucks for the converter

How extensive was your plugin selection for the early shows?
 
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DigiOO1, DigiOO2, MBOX, Lexicon effects [lots!], Novation ReMOTE 25SL, Presonus Digimax LT, Alesis Masterlink.
PTLE 6.4cs9, PTLE 7.0 [x2], Isotope, Elemental Audio, SoundSoap 2, Waves Platinum and IR-1 [YUCK!], some Digi-Stuff [OO2 Factory, SMACK LE, BNR LE, Synchronic, Pultec] and the promo's
Ghee... where'd all that stuff come from?

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Re:ideas loading old PT sessions into to 7.4 sessions 1 Month, 1 Week ago Karma: 38  
I have sessions going back to 1994. I have opened them without issue (except missing files due to failed backup procedures). Again this is going back to version 2 of PT. The only problem I have opening v5 files is that I had a different set of plug-ins on my Mix system than I have now on HD.

I have heard of this problem, but don't have the time to search for solutions for you right now. In the short-term you might call digidesign and/or post the question on the DUC.

Also have you tried using "Import Session Data" instead of trying to open the old sessions?
 
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CNEAL,
Thanks for confirming that generally sessions should be backward compatible for at least a couple major versions. Now that I know it SHOULD load, I began to suspect the integrity of our
server archive data and when I import for the actual session backup CDs/DVD the sessions in question seem to load just fine, so I think I'm out of the woods (at least until I encounter some
really really ancient sessions)
Thanks for your response. I'm glad this site exists and will try to monitor and become a regular contributor.

Thanks!
-Jay-
Southpark Studios
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